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Post by 123vjrs on Oct 31, 2020 15:16:51 GMT
......And the Messiah cometh in the fullness of time, that he might redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall, they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves, and not to be acted upon,
Page 65 half way down /Book Of Mormon
This goes along SO WELL with the Agency posts!
Happiness is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it; and this path is virtue, uprightness, faithfulness, holiness, and keeping all the commandments of God.
Joseph Smith
I had only ever heard the first line quoted. What a sad perversion to not have know the way to receive that happiness.
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Post by Admin on Oct 31, 2020 17:26:46 GMT
Absolutely! I was also going to post that scripture, if no one else had.
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Post by Admin on Oct 31, 2020 17:35:41 GMT
......And the Messiah cometh in the fullness of time, that he might redeem the children of men from the fall. And because that they are redeemed from the fall, they have become free forever, knowing good from evil; to act for themselves, and not to be acted upon, Page 65 half way down /Book Of Mormon This goes along SO WELL with the Agency posts! Happiness is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it; and this path is virtue, uprightness, faithfulness, holiness, and keeping all the commandments of God. Joseph Smith I had only ever heard the first line quoted. What a sad perversion to not have know the way to receive that happiness. Sometimes, I wonder if people only want the Lord to be a tyrant, always ruling over them. I would think people would want to become like Father! To know how to achieve a specific result seems to be the best choice. Then will I be free to become whatever I want. I like the gift of becoming, the gift of agency!
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Post by Terry on Nov 2, 2020 6:10:00 GMT
These statements are very profound:
“How many of us would even listen, to go off into the wilderness when the Lord has called? How many of us would be humble enough to be led by MANY preachings and prophesyings?? How many of us would be meek enough to put up with being Admonished CONTINUALLY???
Who wants to live that way?”
When all of this is shrouded in love; it is palette-able, even cherished.
What if you heard Gods voice and tried to go into the wilderness, and then, either God or man stopped you? Is that possible? Does God call, then stops? Is God a God of contradictions or miracles? Has such a thing ever happened to anyone you have ever heard of? Maybe the person just has no luck. Or maybe, they have a great deal of luck, for when the black planet swings by again, their whole place is plopped up on the farm! If ones heart is pure, then God has His ways, I think. All is not lost...
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Post by Admin on Nov 2, 2020 11:18:47 GMT
These statements are very profound: “How many of us would even listen, to go off into the wilderness when the Lord has called? How many of us would be humble enough to be led by MANY preachings and prophesyings?? How many of us would be meek enough to put up with being Admonished CONTINUALLY??? Who wants to live that way?” When all of this is shrouded in love; it is palette-able, even cherished. What if you heard Gods voice and tried to go into the wilderness, and then, either God or man stopped you? Is that possible? Does God call, then stops? Is God a God of contradictions or miracles? Has such a thing ever happened to anyone you have ever heard of? Maybe the person just has no luck. Or maybe, they have a great deal of luck, for when the black planet swings by again, their whole place is plopped up on the farm! If ones heart is pure, then God has His ways, I think. All is not lost... Can you think of a place this has happened in the scriptures?
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Post by Terry on Nov 3, 2020 4:30:05 GMT
Joseph and Hyrum tried to go into the wilderness, didn’t they? They were stopped. It was not a good outcome for them.
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Post by Admin on Nov 3, 2020 12:27:38 GMT
Joseph and Hyrum tried to go into the wilderness, didn’t they? They were stopped. It was not a good outcome for them. No, God did not stop them. And yes, they had a glorious outcome anyway! Though, not as glorious as they could have had, in my opinion, if they had just done what the Lord directed in the first place.
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Post by Terry on Nov 3, 2020 15:01:55 GMT
“And yes, they had a glorious outcome anyway! Though, not as glorious as they could have had, in my opinion, if they had just done what the Lord directed in the first place.”
I was thinking of instances where either man or God stopped someone. Man stopped Joseph and Hyrum.
I always was upset that they caved into the whining of other people. Why did Hyrum cave in? That always threw me. It really could have been a different story. Now that you say their outcome could have been more glorious if they had done what God said, it’s very sad to me.
In my own case, I don’t know who stopped me the first time, God or man. But three other times, man stopped me, and because of that I feel in my heart that something is going to happen. I do believe I know what it is, but, I wouldn’t want to upset any of my Canadian friends.
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Post by Terry on Nov 3, 2020 15:07:46 GMT
I’m scouring through my mind to recall if God stopped anyone, once He sent out the call to go into the wilderness, but as I go through history, I’m not seeing it. I’m not as good of a historian as you are. Where in time has this happened? And why would He do it?
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Post by Admin on Nov 3, 2020 15:18:41 GMT
“And yes, they had a glorious outcome anyway! Though, not as glorious as they could have had, in my opinion, if they had just done what the Lord directed in the first place.” I was thinking of instances where either man or God stopped someone. Man stopped Joseph and Hyrum. I always was upset that they caved into the whining of other people. Why did Hyrum cave in? That always threw me. It really could have been a different story. Now that you say their outcome could have been more glorious if they had done what God said, it’s very sad to me. In my own case, I don’t know who stopped me the first time, God or man. But three other times, man stopped me, and because of that I feel in my heart that something is going to happen. I do believe I know what it is, but, I wouldn’t want to upset any of my Canadian friends. I do not believe that anyone stopped Joseph and Hyrum, except themselves. They suffered themselves to fall into the hands of their people, so their innocent blood would stand as a testimony against their people at the last day. Having sealed the truth of their words by their death. No one actually stopped Joseph and Hyrum. Their people just called them cowards, and asked Joseph and Hyrum to suffer death for the LDS. Joseph and Hyrum did this favour for the people. And, the prophecy came true, that if the LDS would turn the prophet and patriarch over to the Romans, then the LDS would be hunted, and many would suffer the same as they did to Joseph and Hyrum. I will post an example from the scriptures, where the same thing happened in the scriptures. I will post it on the Book Of Mormon board. .
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Post by Admin on Nov 3, 2020 15:28:53 GMT
I’m scouring through my mind to recall if God stopped anyone, once He sent out the call to go into the wilderness, but as I go through history, I’m not seeing it. I’m not as good of a historian as you are. Where in time has this happened? And why would He do it? It has not happened. .
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Post by Terry on Nov 3, 2020 17:03:49 GMT
That is funny to me. “It has not happened.” Do you ever reply with a smile?
Makes sense...
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Post by Admin on Nov 4, 2020 18:10:29 GMT
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Post by Admin on Nov 5, 2020 13:20:28 GMT
I love this command!
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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2020 15:40:19 GMT
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