Atonement And Redemption

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Here is the talk, but not the exact transcript, as I only used this for a guideline:

Atonement/Redemption

Recently, I was asked a couple of questions. One was about how the atonement works, and the other was about the process of redemption. These two questions have a lot in common, and I would like to attempt to address the subject.

The scriptures are worded in weird ways, sometimes. For example: When Yeshua suffered in Gethsemane and all the lashes and beating, and crucifixion, that His suffering was beyond comprehension. The scripture says: He suffered for all our sins and all our diseases and everything else as well.

Now, this is a very touchy subject, and if we are willing to look at it a little different, then we can go a little deeper than the surface.

The first thing to address is, the scripture is actually written in an analogy format. The scripture is not written in the actual step-by-step what is going on. The scripture is actually written as an analogy.

For example: When you talk to a businessperson, you can talk to a businessperson about being in debt, and somebody coming along and paying your debt.

You know, you can talk to a business person like that, because they understand that analogy. And so when you say that the Lord paid for our sins, that is an analogy that can be used to help a business person understand the atonement. It is not the atonement. It is just an analogy used to help them understand the atonement.

And it is the same thing with a farmer or rancher, and the analogy says, you have to make a sacrifice and give your best lamb or your best bull or your best first fruits of your garden or something like that. That is also an analogy of the Lord being the first fruits or the Lord being the best lamb. These things are analogies; they are not what is actually happening.

They are just analogies to help people in different employment, or their different walks of life, to understand something about the atonement. But it is not the atonement. The atonement is actually what the Lord did. And so we look at what the Lord did. The Lord laid down His pride and vanity, or His crown in heaven, and humbled Himself to become a man, to come here. And He actually kept all the commandments, and then got the results of keeping all the commandments. Therefore, He connected back to God, back to the Tree of Life, back to the Holy Spirit, back to the Holy Ghost, back to that perfect Spirit of an innocent child that stands before the Face of God at all times; Because He was in complete unity with that perfection; Because He kept all the commandments, and therefore He had the results. And then the atonement is what He told everybody: If you stop doing bad now, start your life again, and Start living the way that He lives, you will also connect back to the Tree of Life and therefore become one with God again, and have all these results. That is the atonement. That is redemption.

Now the descriptions in the scriptures are always giving an analogy to try and help everybody understand.

So did Yeshua actually get whipped for us? No, He did not. What happened was: He showed us how to be good, even through unjust punishment. He showed us a depth of how to be good even through death, even through being killed. And the reason why He could suffer these things, was because He was innocent, and therefore there was no reason for Him to suffer any punnishment. It was completely unjust to the millionth degree, for example. Infinity unjust, to punish someone in any way, shape or form who has never actually committed a crime. And Yeshua was showing us how to be good, through all sorts of punishment and bad treatment here upon the earth. That is why He had the results that He had.

And so the atonement is actually His example of showing us how we are to live. And if we live the same way He lived, if we go through unjust punishment, whether it be whipped or crucification, or killed, or beat, or raped, or somebody killing your family, or they just cheat you in business, or cut you off on the highway, or anything else. If we go through those things in the same way the Lord went through them, we go through them properly and good and holy, we then therefore are at one with God, we then reconnect to that Tree of Life.

So He did not really suffer for us, that is just an analogy that we use. He showed us the example, how to become one with God or in other words how to become God. But, that is getting even deeper yet.

The true atonement is that He showed us how to reconnect back to the Tree of Life. In other words, be one with God again, at one with God again. And that is the atonement.

Guest: Okay. Let me ask a question then. This is scripture where Paul says: With His stripes, we are healed.

Joseph: Yes. Paul is following up on the analogy. And if we go through that same situation,… In other words, Paul is trying to explain to the people that if they go through all kinds of ill treatment, whatever they are whining and complaining about, Paul had to write to people who just whined and complained constantly. And so if we go through these things that we are whining and complaining about, like the Lord went through those stripes, then we are healed. It is an analogy. It is trying to show us what the Lord did so we can behave the same way, in whatever whiny little things we are going through. So Paul is following up on that analogy, trying to get people to understand.

So the Atonement is not this, get out of jail free card, that the Lord just did for us, and wave His magic wand and we are forgiven. That is the 666 doctrine that John the Revelator warned us against, which would come and deceive all nations. This is why we are trying to get out the correct doctrine now, so people can understand. If the 666 doctrine was true, we would have millions and millions and millions of prophets on the earth today. But we do not, because that is a false doctrine. And it does not produce the results the Saviour promised.

Those things were just used as an analogy to help us to understand; a comparison of what is going on with the atonement. So “with His stripes we are healed,” if we do the same thing He did: If we go through our stripes, the same as He went through His, like: we do not rebel back; we be meek and humble, then yeah, we are healed.

We are therefore forgiven because we have become a new person, in other words. We are now like Christ: We go through it with no bad thoughts or bad feelings or bad reactions to anybody. This is the atonement. This is redemption. This is what it actually means, to be atoned, or to be redeemed.

But, people get mixed up with the analogies and the comparisons, and they start thinking that the analogies are what is actually going on, when they are just trying to help us to understand what is going on.

But the reason why the Saviour is our Saviour is, because He showed us how to actually become a Son or Daughter of God, and return to the Father/Mother. And all we have to do is do it.

The Lord cannot take away agency, it is up to us to do it or not. And by waving a magic wand over somebody's head saying: I paid for your sins, now you are free. That takes away our agency. It also vindicates the perpetrators, and condemns the victims.

It is a false doctrine, it is part of the 666, one of the sixes; the six that lies: the Saviour could do it, because He was half immortal. So it is the second six out of the 666; that the Saviour could do it because He was half God; that false doctrine of Him being half God, justifying why He could do it, and therefore why we cannot. That is a false doctrine that is what has deceived nations.

So the true atonement is to follow the atoning path, the path of redemption. This is what we have to do to be redeemed; we have to follow the Messiah’s example to be atoned. This example is the gift of the Atonement. It is the coming here to earth, to show us how to return to godhood, which is the gift of God to Man!

This is why we get baptized, to start a new life following His example, thereby accepting His gift!

That is the Atonement. We could continue to go deeper, but perhaps this gives us something to think about for now.